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    Default Conflicting security programs?

    All the security programs I use on the laptop (XP) are free versions : ZA firewall; Avast a-v (which is set to automatically update) and the following 4 programs which are manually updated regularly and then I just scan with them from time to time : Emsisoft A2Squared; Malwarebytes; SpywareBlaster; SuperAntiSpyware.

    However, as I'll be using Bullguard Internet Security (paid-for) on the PC (with W7) I thought this would be a good opportunity to review my internet security in general.

    Bullguard includes an a-v, firewall and malware protection. I realise that one product can't protect against everything, no matter how good it's meant to be, but that it's also best not to confuse things with too many programs which could cause a conflict.

    Obviously Avast and ZA will be replaced by Bullguard but would it be OK to also use all or some of the others with manual updates (Emsisoft A2Squared; Malwarebytes; SpywareBlaster; SuperAntiSpyware) and just use them to scan from time to time as backup checks or could they cause conflicts as Bullguard will be running constantly in the background?

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    Hi


    "Safe. Simple. BullGuard".

    Excellent choice in Anti Virus protection, I see it's UK-based !

    BullGuard provide a variety of customer support. BullGuard live support is an on-line service built into the BullGuard products. The customer can contact live support for any Internet security-related problem. BullGuard specialists can receive and respond to customer questions in real time. The BullGuard Security Center is a virtual virus information center that gathers articles on various Internet security trends, threats (rootkits, keyloggers, phishing etc.) and types of software solutions. The BullGuard Antivirus Forum is a chat forum created for advanced users and IT-professionals. Users can read Internet security-related questions and answers from other users and post their own questions.
    • Malwarebytes
    • SpywareBlaster
    • SuperAntiSpyware


    Use them above to scan from time to time as backup checks.


    Emsisoft antimalware

    From what I read you can run Emsisoft along with another Anti Virus. You may consider asking that question Here The bullguard forum.

    And,

    Please read this great article by miekiemoes How to prevent Malware
    and this great article by Tony Klein So How Did I Get Infected In First Place

    Anyway that's what I can add at this time.

    Cheers,
    Joe
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    Whoops, sorry about the double post notification, I've edited this reply as I didn't read your response properly - it is still very early and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

    Hi Joe, thanks for replying and glad you approve of Bullguard, I've heard lots of good reports about it. A friend is using it and says it's also very easy to use.

    I used the live chat facility at the crack of dawn and was given the following information :

    So, they don't advise using other security programs as this may cause software conflicts and make the system unstable. However, they could confirm that Malwarebytes can coexist with BullGuard as long as the on-access real time scan is not enabled, i.e. you only start a scan manually when you want to check your system, just ensuring that Bullguard and Malwarebytes are not running at the same time.

    They were unable to confirm about the others as no-one had yet contacted them regarding issues with them in particular but they also haven't tested them internally, so couldn't advise specifically on them.

    Agent: What I can however confirm is that you may contact us at any point, should you encounter any issues while using our software. We are available around the clock and if your system needs any further scans we will provide you with extra scanning tools depending on the nature of the issue.

    Now that's what I call customer support!

    I'll report back once I've been using it for a while. In the meantime, free 60 day trial on this link if anyone is interested : BullGuard | Internet Security and Antivirus protection software

    Thanks again

    Steph
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    Having all those programs "installed" on your system is no problem - assuming you have the disk space. But running multiple programs in "real-time protection mode" can cause conflicts (thought that is rare these days), and waste lots of resources (the biggest issue). I like saying it is like 2 dogs guarding the same bone, each wondering what the other is up too. That does not suggest they will not immediately drop their worries over the bone and take after the badguy trying to climb the fence.

    But still, having your primary anti-malware solution running in real-time (in memory, full time) protection mode and multiple programs set to scan "on-demand" as supplemental scanners is no problem. Any "conflicts" that might suddenly arise will be readily apparent, and a "non-issue" once supplemental scanning is complete.

    However, they could confirm that Malwarebytes can coexist with BullGuard as long as the on-access real time scan is not enabled
    No, pretty sure that is wrong. MBAM Pro plays well with just about every other anti-malware solution, so MBAM is the exception to the rule about two running in real-time protection (or scanning) mode at the same time. But you did not say if you have MBAM Free or MBAM Pro. MBAM Free does not run in real-time, Pro does. So that is only an issue if you have the Pro (paid) version.

    But even so, the issue is not complex. Assuming you have the paid version of MBAM (MBAM Pro), run both in real time protection mode and see what happens. No "harm" will become your system. If your system bogs down or shows strange behavior, just disable MBAM's real-time component. No big deal.

    I note if you check the BullGuard forums, MBAM is often suggested by forum staff for supplemental scanning. And if you check MBAM forums, there are several BullGuard users, but no mention of incompatibility.
    are manually updated regularly
    would it be OK to also use all or some of the others with manual updates
    "Updating" is no problem - regardless how the scanner is configured. Auto "updating" is not the same thing as "real-time protection". The only issue with "updating" the program is if they should all try to access the Internet at exactly the same time - hogging all your bandwidth. A highly unlikely event.

    Bullguard includes an a-v, firewall and malware protection.
    Note that "malware" includes viruses, so malware protection includes "a-v". Perhaps you meant anti-spyware - but I think spyware is generally accepted as being a component of malware too. And for firewalls, for sure, you only need one.

    Finally, do you really need an electric fence, alligator infested moat, security cameras, heat and motion detectors, and armed guards protecting your house? If you keep your system (OS and browsers) updated, your network access secured, and you don't participate in illegal activities with your computer (that is, you don't mingle where badguys wallow - use illegal filesharing, or visit illegal gambling or porn sites), and you are not "click happy" with unsolicited downloads, links and attachments, Bullguard and MBAM will do the trick. If me, I would uninstall A2Squared and SpywareBlaster, and probably SAS too. Though I like SAS, with BG and MBAM, SAS is redundancy on top of redundancy.
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    Hi Digerati

    Any "conflicts" that might suddenly arise will be readily apparent, and a "non-issue" once supplemental scanning is complete.
    That's good, I thought if there was a conflict that it meant they'd stop each other working properly.

    Auto "updating" is not the same thing as "real-time protection".
    Right. I thought if a program was set to auto update it necessarily meant that it was running in the background all the time - thanks for clarifying. I use MBAM free by the way.

    Finally, do you really need an electric fence, alligator infested moat, security cameras, heat and motion detectors, and armed guards protecting your house?
    Lol, when you put it like that I guess not! Paranoid, moi?!

    Thanks for all the advice and clarification, appreciated as always.

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    I thought if a program was set to auto update it necessarily meant that it was running in the background all the time
    No. It typically means the program has a separate "auto-updater" program that runs full time (or is scheduled to run periodically) that checks the current version, then goes on-line to see what the latest version is. If not current, it then auto-updates, or yells at you to update.

    Paranoid, moi?!
    Careful, cautious and diligent is good. But extremes and paranoia consumes and overwhelms psyches, and eats up excessive system resources.
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    extremes and paranoia consumes and overwhelms psyches, and eats up excessive system resources.
    Oh, how very apt ..!

    Now just wait until you see the stream of questions about my new system!
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    Well, computer security is a very real concern. But like driving, the best way to avoid injury is to avoid getting in an accident in the first place. You don't need to be driving a Sherman tank to avoid accidents, or conserve resources.
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